Deep and far from anywhere recognizable, two mares, having been humiliated, wounded and even lowered to nothing more than whores at one point, could only stand and look out a window with almost contemplating gazes. Just a week since they were rescued, taken to a faculty deep below the waves.. Nursed to health, and now..

Now they both stood in a building at a new place, ‘Alpha Base’, as they were told. And now both could only look over the underwater town that only grew each day. More buildings were made, more expansive halls created… it was a slowly thriving home-away-from-home.

And the four ponies acting as the heads to this place were… thrilled they had come. Moral rose, all eyes looked to them for guidance, even after they had failed, their subjects were ready and listening.

Still, Celestia sighed. It was a lot to take in, and even after she and her sister were informed of what had happened… to say she was happy about their freedom was… almost contradictory. For to achieving this victory, the empire was nearly killed. It’s people poisoned by something that the man, the one allowing them to stay here, willingly unleashed and used to force a corrupted Shining Armor’s hand to turn over his people to the Resistance.

A few hundred still died, for whatever reason. Be it sickness or being left behind. And he was not the only one to blame for thinking of the plan and making the virus. He was also to thank for having the cure and being ready to cure. And the heads? Three admitted being responsible for allowing this to happen. Even the Overlord, she was told, was responsible for spreading it into the Empire in the first place.

“I don’t know what to think, Luna.” Spoke the white alicorn. “I know why they did what they did. But it also… makes me question if it was for the best.” Growing her brows at the thought of them mentioning the infection was also sent out to ‘encourage’ the Resistance to actually get a move on. As if they would of stalled things too long with debates and arguments. Which, possibly would of been also bad…

Luna sighed and admit. “I feel the same. On one hand, I would shout at them for making such a choice, for even allowing this to be done….but on the other? What could they have done? From what we understand, there wasn’t enough ponies who were military, they had no true way to get a entire city of ponies out without resistance of Caribou's…” grimacing some. “And no actual defense against he Caribou magic. And even if they try to steal the heart or let out a siege-- it would of done more damage of mares and fillies being taken away to who knows where…”

“Morally it is despicable...but as a tactician? It's the least costly way of success.”

“If the plan was done to the T.” Reminded Celestia. “And while that did happen, let us be frank… if something did not go correctly, thousands would have died from either the sickness, or form the frost.” Finding the thought rather… crushing to her heart.

Looking back out, the solar monarch shifted in her drivesuite. The same thing that hid no modesty of her person, but was needed for this place with nothing but water all around. “These heads…” She began, “Lush, Glint, Flush and Grain… I’ll admit, I didn’t expect them to be so… forthcoming about us gaining power. I think even Lush was more than happy to give us back the reigns.”

Thinking on it, Celestia nodded, “While I find their last choice questionable… I will admit, they have… done well. Especially this Grain. I doubt you have not notice, but she is the definite leader to these ponies hidden down here. I have a feeling that, if we asked, she would be willing to act on our behalf to retain order here.”

“These ponies are civilians first most.” said Luna in affirmation. “Even if they are the leaders, they aren’t ponies who took command before.” Then thought and spoke. “You are right, Grain is the leader…” Then said with a scowl. “However, there is a difference between these mares and those of the Resistance Heads...the former talk and get stuff done. The latter seem to debate much on if, should, or doubts. They just...argue and debate on plans, trying to find the ‘right’ one and figure if it's a good idea or not-- which takes longer and potentially have miss opportunities.”

With a slow agreeing nod, Celestia said, “Much like the nobility. While I agree the Heads of the Resistance are much more experienced… they have also wasted too much time.” Then shook her head, “I do not blame them entirely. They needed to be careful, cautious and be sure to take only a few risks… or else the Resistance would have died.”

She pondered to that, looking out and admitted, “But these mares… they are getting work done, even going into their own ranks to do more work. This… Albert has made one impression to them. Getting work done.” Rising a hand to feel the hardened glass that allowed them to see out. “This place takes much maintenance… and there is only so much food and water. The conditions… nearly demand for one to be constantly aware of the situation and be on top of it as soon as possible…”

Luna nod. “It is impressive that this Albert showed the ponies how to do all of this…” Then look through the glass as she said. “It is no surprise that the heads here are efficient. They can’t waste time, otherwise ponies will die under here…” Then asked. “Sister. What of our plans to take Equestria back? To put down the Caribous and take our home back? We know that we left Equestria...but we can’t stay here forever.” Looking to her and saying. “We can get to the Tree, uncorrupt those with it-- and take the fight to the bastard and end the Caribous once and for all.” Then added with narrow eyes. “And remove the potential threat known as the Overlord.”

There was a bout of silence before Celestia told, “For now… for now we must wait, sister.” Turning to the darker mare and admitting, “While I would like nothing more than to refute Dainn form our thrones and removing his troops from our ponies homes… we can’t. We’re too weak right now, and many that are here are not soldiers of war. We are far from ready.”

She looked back out with a long and contemplating look. “I agree though… we must send, or at least we ourselves, must reach the Tree of Harmony. Heal the worst of the damage to us all. But I fear that even that won’t be possible for a long while. With such a devastating strike in Equestria in just a few days, Dainn will not rest to find us or the Resistance.”

She left that to hang for a moment before sighing, “For now, Luna… I think it best we focus on our subjects. They need us, more than ever.” Looking out the window, she admitted, “And while we can not hide forever… we can at least use what time we have with it to rest ourselves and prepare. It’s the best we can do as of now.”

Taking a low breath, she admit that her sister was right...but she did gave a firm look and asked. “And this Overlord? By both the mares here and the Resistance admittance, he has done much harm and deeds that cannot go unpunished. He may have saved us and those mares in the dungeon, but one good act does not remove the fact he cause much pain and suffering, even death to the crystal ponies.”

“And we will, Sister.” Firmly told Celestia, “Just not now. Because as much as we might wish to, removing him now only makes things harder for us.” Then went on, “And do not forget… he was not the mastermind to this plot. That goes to this Albert.” Knowing that the male had effectively placed himself into a… questionable position. One that showed his heinous acts of unleashing a plague on the empire- and simultaneously curing it before it could claim too many lives.

Anymore talking was postponed for a brief moment, a dull knocking heard on the bulkhead door that was to their more personal quarters.

“Enter.” Called Celestia, turning with her sister and watching as the door was unsealed steadily and opened, Lush stepping in and closing the door.

In a meek manner, she walked up to the two rulers, feeling a little small at their much more imposing and taller stature. Both having a poise of grace and power that, in all honesty, made her feel a lot less than she liked. “Your highnesses.” She nodded before holding out her hands. “Your PDA Tablets…” The white wands being held before them. “Grain wanted to make sure you were updated with everything going on down here. Who’s doing what and how much we have in supplies and stocks…”

Luna took hers, looking it over as it activated, surprise filled her expression as she said. “Impressive...such magic..” Beginning looking more and reading it as she said. “Sister. There is much information here, of the sea-creatures, of everything in the base...it is amazing…” Then glance at supplies, of fresh water, food...clothing. She glance to Lush and asked. “Lush, explain to me how you all managed to acquire such food, water, and clothing? It is odd you acquire so much from what we learn that you all harvest and forge around the sea. Especially having clothes of all things.”

While Celestia began to work on the meticulous job of seeing how much living space there was and how many of her subjects were here and working-- Lush began to tell, “Well, Princess Luna, that would be our agreements with the Overlord.”

Even if she didn’t pause or show it, Celestia listened intently, just as much as her sister as Lush informed them. “Whenever we have a new group come down, the Overlord helps send a week's worth of supplies with them-- so they have enough to fall back on until they can start supporting themselves.”

“We also trade materials for extra food and water when we need it-- clothing too, if any place requests for it.” The green mare tried to not shift while under the lunar monarchs gaze, and went on, “The trade agreement’s have changed slightly, since we can now reach the Resistance on our own. We’re acting as the go-between for any and all supplies. All the request is any gems, gold or spare materials in return for food and water. And, like I said… nothing is given, but we don’t get it as often. Clothing is… well, it’s mostly a luxury it seems now a days.”

“We noticed.” said Luna, as the dive suit made it clear that having actual clothing is a luxury than anything else. She did prod a bit to the earth mare of gaining answers. “So tell me Lush…why does the Overlord, a being such as heartless and evil, the same kind of evil we view like of the Caribous-- has a trade agreement with you all...and nopony is bothered by the fact they more or less made a deal with a demon?”

To that, Lush said, “Officially?” Then made a slight gesture with her hand, “It’s because they’re hoping that he wears down his forces and power while being busy with fighting the Caribous while we hide and get stronger.”

Glancing over the semi-transparent tablet, Celestia asked, “And unofficially?” Raising a delicate brow at Lush’s slight hesitance.

“Unofficially… and the actual truth?” She thought on how to say it, and be believable enough for them to believe. “Because he’s worried about us.” Causing a definite pause in Celestia’s toying with the device. “The Resistance, and a majority that know about him, think like you do. That he’s evil… but, the truth is? He’s just using that as a guise to keep the impish creatures from turning over to Dainn.”

“Explain.” said Luna. “Why would he be worried about you? And what do you mean keep those imps from turning to Dainn?” Trying to understand as despite the evidence, despite what they knew-- why would the Overlord be worried? About these mares? It didn’t make sense. Evil beings never worried about anypony but themselves. So why would the Overlord worry of them all in the first place?

Taking a moment to recall what she did know, Lush told, “I don’t have all the facts, but from what I know it goes something along the lines like this.” Breathing in and soon explaining, “The Minions, the magic and even the gates are… well, for evil. Gnarl, a elder minion and Advisor to the Overlord, enjoys telling this fact. They only follow evil leaders. Jerry, from what I know, was one chosen leader to be Overlord.”

“I don't know if he can or not, but as the Overlord, Jerry, which is his real name, has this… ‘obligation’ to do at least the bare minimum of evil things-- or else the Minions will leave him for someone more evil and more willing to do evil.” Then shifted, noticing Celestia was now even watching her. “Jerry didn’t want to be Overlord. I can tell from a few that live with him-- like the filly, Jasmine, that he’s… he’s honestly not a terrible person. Just one that… that can’t be the hero without risking the minions rushing to the Caribous and giving them the power to travel even further without any opposition.”

“You’ve seen it, the gates?” Pressed on the mare, “He used them to enter Canterlot. Then leave Canterlot-- and the caribou had no means to stop him from coming and going. And he can make as many as he likes, and travel through them whenever he likes. Imagine what would happen, if he didn’t act as the Overlord enough, and the Minions left him for Dainn instead?”

A chill went up her spine as Luna told. “Dainn would send troops all over...nothing would stop him as he would spread like wildfire…” Taking more into thought as she said. “Yes...I see… if he’s not evil enough...the Minions won’t follow him. He won’t be use the gates, or make more-- and nothing would stop Dainn….” Then give a pointed look to Lush and asked. “If he didn’t want to be this Overlord-- why is he one? Why is he doing these acts? Why is he committing crimes and do such things?”

“I don’t know why he’s the Overlord in the first place.” Admitted Lush. “And he does crimes to sate the Minions. To keep them in line and with him…” She shifted and said, “I don’t know much more than that… but if you… did want to know more? Maybe ask him yourself.. Or Jasmine. She’s… she’s been something like a shoulder angel to him.”

Luna contemplated this...and soon asked. “If we wish to speak to him...where would we find him?”

Having a sight answer to this, she told, “His castle.” Giving a firm nod, “You can find him at his Castle. That is where he spends most of his time.” Then paused to add, “He might visit here too… or visit the Resistance to give reports or hear plans… but your safest stance is his Castle.”

“Not that I want to derail the subject, Lush.” Celestia soon spoke up, gaining her attention. “But I have another question. Pertaining to those here having acted as leaders.” Giving the mare a look over. “You all mentioned you wished for us to take back control… may I ask why, when you seem to have things handled so well?”

Biting her lip, Lush said, “We don’t feel up to the job.” Then pause to re-word, “Or, some of us don’t. I… I’m just a former secretary. I organize supplies, tools and materials and do accounting for it all-- I… I honestly don’t feel like I can keep the position.” Then prattled on, “And Glint? She’s going to be needed more in the medical bays. Helping the new nurses and other healers that are coming down.”

“Flush wants to focus more on security, she used to be a military mare on reserve. She wanted to get this ‘chain of command’ backup. And Grain?” She hesitated. “Grain… I’m not sure. She wants to keep herself as the Captian to the Sunrise, keep going on those… dangerous expeditions in dangerous waters.. But also wants to be involved, to make sure things keep smooth.” She then sagged, “I honestly think she won’t fight in keeping her spot, but we…. The original survivors that came here, we trust her. She helped us survive and know what to do while Albert wasn't there to tell us what to do when we were confused…” Not sure what more to say.

Luna thought over and nod. “It would explain why you willingly let us take command…” Then thought it over as she said. “Sister, perhaps we can bring in Grain in discussing that regards to the populace here? As Lush said, while Grain wish to be in that ship of hers, she also want to have a say regarding to those around here. Possibly for the best as she knows many things we are still learning of our seas.”

Thinking this over, Celestia was swift to nod to this. “I agree, sister. She has experience, and does understand her stance in this.” She thought it over and told, “We should speak to her in length about this. I feel that if what Lush has told us is true as of yet-- then Grain is most needed here. Governing most of the base and keeping it in line.”

Turning to Lush, Celestia gained a thought, and felt her lip upturn. “As for you, Lush?” Watching the mare straighten up like a board. “I think that myself and my sister could use a secretary-- or at the very least, a pony that can help keep us caught up with current events.”

With a splutter, Lush said, “M-me? But P-Princess, I-- I can’t, I gave the okay for...for that whole idea…” Thinking back to the disease that was unleashed not a month ago.

“Perhaps,” Started Luna, “But you know many things here, and know what information can be brought up.” Then added with a slight smile. “Consider this your parole in a sense.” Then glanced down, and scowled while looking at the tablet, trying to activate the boxes in it.

Lush looked speechless, unable to say anything. So, Celestia took the chance to continue on. “You were faced with a difficult decision, Lush. One that myself and my sister admittedly would have found appalling to make. You did what you figured was the best. And you are taking responsibility for it.”

With a nod, the alicorn smiled, “I think, in these times… we can give you a second chance. Do well, and I think we can pardon you for this…” Though did tell firmly, “But do expect a few punishments to be given. Nothing harsh, but something to at least confiscated for the lives lost.”

Gulping, Lush nodded, “I understand, Princess.” Lowering her head to this.

Smiling softly, Celestia told, “At peace, Lush. You may go. We will send for you when we have need.” Motioning for the mare to go-- which she did after a respectful bow and meekly leaving the two.

With a sad smile, Celestia shook her head. “Let us make her punishment light. I believe that mare has suffered more guilt than she’s willing to admit over her decision.”

Luna nodded. “Yes, I noticed it. Maybe community service.” Then look the device over and soon said. “We do need to speak to the other heads here of their punishment...as well as speak to this Albert.” Then thought and asked. “Do you suppose when we speak to the Overlord, we bring some of the Resistance, best in case there is a fight? For all we know of Lush explanation-- it could be a guise pretending he cares.”

Thinking to that, Celestia remarked, “She’s also been the only mare that’s given us a completely new insight none of our subjects were even aware of.” Tapping and watching as the screen change again. She was starting to figure out this… ‘Tablet’. “When we asked about his powers, none seem remotely sure how they worked-- yet Lush had a direct insight. I think we can give a slight degree of agreement, that it’s not all made up.”

“That may be true...But I feel comfortable if we have some form of guards around us when we meet him. For all we know, he could lie to either her or others of his true horde numbers. Or of his magic.” She frown some, recalling something and said. “We may also ask if anypony been to his domain, so we have a understanding of what it is and looks like.”

Nodding, Celestia agreed, “Something to look into. Possibly after we have recuperate and go to visit the Resistance Leaders.” Then turned to look back out the window and just watch. She couldn't help but watch, mostly at the ponies swimming between buildings. Small submersible subs zipping about. Tall and powerful suites of metal stomping around. Or the large sizable ships that almost seem reminiscent of airships-- only they were suspended by water instead of magic and air.

She stared at the sight for a moment longer… then said, “There is one other matter… sister.” Gaining the slightly younger alicorns attention. “Albert…. How. Do we approach him?” It was a… whole different situation altogether.

Thinking some as she admit. “I do not know…” Thinking more and suggest to her sister. “Perhaps ask him to come to use that we may talk? From what I gather from Lush and the ponies here, he is straight to the point and likes to keep things simple-- if not rambling on and seemingly pace around a room. From what I understand? He is a scientist of sorts.”

Breathing out, the sun alicorn said, “Yes… that is true.” Thinking it over and if she was admitted? Even more uncertain. It was very clear to her, that Albert knew a good deal about things. How the bases worked, the machines and even the new devices they were granted. The Overlord was a very obvious and easily discernible target. One she and her sister could identify and possibly handle if what they understood correctly.

Albert was on the other side of the spectrum. People knew him, but he in turn knew what they knew. They knew he was smart, but apparently not aware of how cunning he could be. He had means to do things, and found interesting ways to omit things that others didn’t know.

For a honest, constantly blabbering scientist that forget’s who’s listening in-- he was surprisingly tight lipped on how the virus got into the empire. And that only told Celestia, he was much more clever than some gave him credit for. Or at least, they assumed he was such a blabbermouth they didn’t bother to question any hidden secrets of his.

Luna thought over and spoke. “It will be hard to get a good answer from him, but if we listen well enough and move through his tablets-- we might find something that will interest us.” Then added. “But we should be cautious of what he might or suggest. He is clever enough to make most smooth talkers look small time. Smart enough to have backup plans for any topic.”

Taking a long drag of air, Celestia nodded in firm agreement. “We will be navigating very treacherous waters.” Knowing that male could have anything ready to use on them. And he currently had the upper hand in preparation.

Glancing from her current conversation to take a look around the oceanic town, Celestia slightly perked. This was mostly due to the ship, a Cyclops as she had slightly come to know by ‘Ship class’ by ear. Though unlike the few that she was used to, such as Grains ‘Sunrise’ or the more refugee sympathetic ‘Twilight Hope’ (A name she couldn’t help but feel slight humor and sadness to), or the other three ships that had crop up, this one was different.

This one wasn’t bright colors alone, but black. The only discerning bright colors being the bold yellow stripe and the more smaller aqua colored lines that hinted a glow. The Dauntless was, more or less, known as a Flagship to the ‘Expedition fleet’ seeing as it held the male responsible for most of this to be possible.

Albert in question was just as elusive as he was open, as Celestia found. Always working on a project-- or in some cases, leaving base on his personal ship to somewhere in the vast ocean. But now, it looked as if he was back. And form the looks of the Dauntless slowly halting over his more personal lab space and soon using the little sub named Excursion to enter one of the drydocks known as a Moonpool, Celestia knew he planned to stick around for a while.

“I believe now is a good time as ever to speak to him, sister.” said Luna as she closed her device with a flick of a finger, placing it on her waist in a holding compartment for it. She began taking the first step, opening the door as she continued speaking. “I doubt if we do not take this chance to meet and get a understanding of him, he might leave or stay in that lab of his for who knows how long.”

Sighing, Celestia nodded and took a moment to figure out how to close down the device. It was thankfully, very simple. “We might as well. He has a tendency to whimsically come and go as he pleases.” Which was odd, considering his tangent for keeping order and efficiency.

Leaving from their personal room, and having to go through halls and ladders to reach their way out, both sisters steady themselves and got their air tanks ready and masks fastened. When the bulkhead was closed behind them, the hatch open and slipping down into the cool waters, did they begin their swim towards the lab.

It was odd, in a sense. After so many years on land, and expectancy of freedom, the sisters found themselves in a place that required them to constantly swim. It was almost surreal, in a way. The closest either had been to water in a long time was during some occasional off time at a beach or in a pool. But the ocean, hundreds of feet below the surface itself? Never had they expected this to pass.

And Luna had to admit… the experience of swimming this deep wasn’t the same as the dreams she had been in.

Upon finding the main entrance and slipping in, did the sisters began their way inside… while slightly squeezing and trying to wring out what water they could form either flowing tails and manes. “Honestly, if it is not the scandalous clothing sister, then it’s the amount of water that get’s in our manes.”

“I believe our manes and tails are the exception, as they’re always flowing.” told Luna, wringing out said mane out of any water as she added. “Not to mention that these diving suits quickly dry. I doubt either of us want our bodies to be seen through with water in them.”

“Clinging wet clothing is far from pleasant.” Grudgingly agreed Celestia, giving a glance around and saying, “My… this Albert seems to have… a collection.” Getting a glance at a few rooms with odd creatures swimming inside of them. She wondered what sort of work he did here, though she presumed to find out soon enough.

The complex was… surprisingly simple. Even easy to navigate with how straight the halls were and rooms separated evenly. A bit more order, than most buildings made. But nearing one of the points in the hall, both paused and watched Albert next to fly past-- his legs carrying him in a near quick walk while he tapped away on his tablet.

Both moved to catch up, rounding the corner and keeping pace with the surprisingly quick-walking male that seemed to absorbed in his work to even pay them mind. When he reached the end of the hall he lowered the pad, griped the handle of a Bulkhead and began opening it, showing them a lab where he more than likely worked.

“Albert.” Celestia spoke and causing him to slightly pause. He turned and gave them a wondering look, reaching just around the corner to pluck up some from of lab-coat. Black and made of the same material as the dive suites, though possessed orange padding like the more durable hardsuits.

“Yes, what can I do for you both, Princess’s?” He asked, getting the coat on and stopping at the bulkhead to hear them out.

“We wish to talk to you.” said Luna, scanning over the hardsuit and odd lab-coat as she continue. “We are curious of a few things, things that might give us some insight.” she decided to do the big one to clear out of the way. “Why did you plan for the infection in the Crystal Empire?”

Raising a brow, he spoke, “Starting with the most moralizing questioning topics then, hmmm?” Almost sounding… amused? “Come in. Close the bulkhead behind you.” Turning around and entering in, the two exchanging glances but moving in.

When Celestia moved and closed the heavy door shut, they heard him speak-- all the while moving around and moving samples and equipment around. “It was a multi assault plan. Jerry expressed concerns the Resistance wouldn't react in time. Also knew the Caribou can cause him damage. And I knew if he did anything, reinforcements would block him off and I also knew that when he left, ponies would be trapped to a doom land that get’s an ice-age 24/7.”

Turning and leaning on a counter, Albert pocketed his hands and considered the two. “It was in hopes, with this controlled virus that is admittedly less viral than it’s original state-- that I could hit multiple problems at once. Cut off caribou reinforcements. Clog up their organizations with some hysteria. Weaken their defenses at the first target. Spur the Resistance to act faster. And lastly, cause a 50-50 scenario that either resulted in the death of thousands of lives, or their complete freedom.” Then admitted, “The last part was a gamble. But with either scenario? Death was likely no matter what, because once the heart was gone? All left behind would die a peaceful death by freezing.”

“And yet you push for it? Even though there was a large gamble that couldn’t work?” questioned Luna. “We heard the reports that you talked Shining into letting them go, but even if you didn’t talk to him? There was no certain way that all or nearly all would be able to escape.”

Hand up in a slight shrug, Albert told, “Like I said. The cold would of killed them in the end. My virus would have taken longer, and the cold would’ve claimed them too quickly. So again, if it worked or not? Everyone left in the empire slipped away asleep cold. Much more peaceful than what the virus would have done.”

He then gave them both a long look and told, “The virus was just incentive. To really push because people were too stubborn. Am I proud of it?” Then thought on it, “Not in particular. But, even if the thousands stayed to die-- we would have hundreds. Despite what you may be thinking, causing a mass extinction of a particular species is not on my to-do list. I had every intention of preserving a species.”

“Then explain to us.” Celestia breathed, “Why did you think this… outrageous course of action was the only one you thought would work?”

“How many times have you lied to keep the peace?” Asked Albert to the two, “How many times have you two had to go up before hundreds, and flat out lie of how bad a situation is, or how good a situation is-- to either ensure order, calmness or motivation?”

Luna glance away, knowing that she and her sister had to lie much...then as she thought on it, she look to Albert and asked. “This plan was the less costly than most plans that were given, wasn't it?” Knowing that instead of seeing this as a ruler with morality, it might be best to see this in the views of a tactician, to gain a better understanding.

There was a simple nod. “Jerry told me of his idea. He wanted to get you two out, plain and simple.” Then went on, “He also wanted the Crystal heart and the element Bearers and their elements. I asked him questions and was given the overall information.” Then pointed at them, “You two were top priority VIP’s that could have been possibly tracked. The Heart was needed to give his things more power by draining the corruption out of it and fueling his magical powers to more easily evade and trick Dainn.”

“The element bearers were the weak link.” He finished. “He wanted to get them, but I stuck by priority. With no means to pin down where they were, or their artifacts, and the time constraints of getting them all once the alarms were set off? I planned out the most successful idea I could and one that would also distract the Caribou’s for months, possibly keep them in confusion too before they can get their footing back. By then?”

He slightly smiled, “Well, I think you already know.” Motioning towards the window where a good overview of the underwater town was. “We’re far away, we’re rebuilding, restructuring, organizing and preparing. Perfect breathing room while the Caribou's scramble to try and get their bearings back after getting hit too hard too fast.”

Luna thought over that, knowing that it would take time for the Caribous to fully get their bearing, especially with, from what she gain of the Resistance, the Overlord raids all over Equestria and taking the Caribous supplies. Maybe even force them to stay in Equestria long enough to keep most of the ponies in? And while that happen up above, down here and with the Resistance was? They would rebuild, gather their footing, armed and trained troops, and help heal ponies to move past the horrors they face...She then thought and asked.

“And of the Crystal Heart? Is it back among us ponies once more?”

With a slight nod, Albert told, “It’s currently in the possession of two Crystal ponies. A filly and a mare, both sisters. They’re being guarded by the Overlord and will continue to watch over the heart until Princess Cadence and Shining Armor are properly treated.” Then added, “The heart is currently cleansed.”

While this news was… wonderful, Celestia asked, “How do you know you can trust the Overlord with the Heart?”

Quirking a smile, Albert told in turn, “Because Jerry knows that it doesn't really help him. The closest thing it can be is a battery, and I think he’d rather offer it up to the crystal rulers than make Jasmine angry. Treats her like a little sister.” Then added, “Also… if he did, by some chance that I find highly unlikely with his ‘standards’, he did obsessively keep it away?” The infected male held a sly smile, “I have contingency plans.”

Luna filed that in, knowing that Albert made the plan of infecting the Empire, simply to not only give them breathing room, but a chance to strike the Caribous for months while the ponies build up. Not to mention the Crystal Heart was purified and cleanse….however she spoke. “The Elements do not need to be found, as they are with the Tree of Harmony.” seeing a perk and keen interesting in his eyes.

“They were return long before the Caribous arrival, so attempting to find them is useless. However getting the Element Bearers is a priority, as they have the power to completely return Equestria to its original state, and revert all back to the way they were.”

“Could you tell me more, please?” Spoke the male with clear interest. “Jerry didn’t give me much information besides they would give a moral boost. A reason I found too weak since both of you would have easily done that.”

While it saddened her to hear this, Celestia understood the scientists thoughts when given little information. “The elements are direct representations and conduits to the magic that belongs to the Tree of Harmony.” Then named off for him, “Loyalty, Honesty, Kindness, Laughter, Generosity, Magic-- with all six unified, they have dealt with threats that would of ended Equestria, nay, the world tens of times.”

Albert gave a nod, a slow one in thought as he surmised, “Magic is a large hole in my work. It hardly follows any scientific reasoning and makes my work harder.” Then went on, “Ergo, the reason of reversing body modifications with magic and mind bent concepts won't be easily remedied by science-- but a set of conduits that are attuned to the proper magical frequencies can easily undo the process made by lesser grade powers.”

Blinking, Celestia said, “I’m not sure if I should be pleased you have a clear understanding of how it might work, or surprised you kept up so quickly.”

“When you find new species of creatures that completely change the rules of survival in seconds?” Began Albert with a slight smile, “You tend to figure out you need to adapt quickly and figure out possible theories on the fly.”

Luna hum a bit and spoke. “But seeing as you understand my question, we would need them and let them use of their united gift to rid the Caribous and heal Equestria and its inhabitants to what they were.” She thought over and bit her lip in annoyance. “But we are unable to do much as of now, as we are all here, with the Resistance on a island-- and the Element Bearers are heavily guarded at this point. It would be difficult to get them at all, even more if they’re spread out.”

“From what I understand, they are all over the place.” Said Albert with a nod, “Getting them would take time, and with difficulty.” Then went on, “And while a second outbreak would cause the needed distraction to shake up the cage-- I’m not keen on doing it again.”

With a raised brow, Celestia asked, “Due to your conscious?”

Seeing him shake his head, the male told, “Because with the Empire? It was easily contained. If I did the same stunt in any city for Equestria, I risk the virus, no matter how controlled, spreading past the city and into other areas. Possibly near another town and further.”

“And it’s not just ponies and caribou it latched onto.” He explained, “Any living animal is a target. Once they become infected, all it takes is something to bite into them, draw blood and get inside the body-- and they’re infected.” He then gestured his head about, “It’s original state infected anything it touched. This altered version is more tame, only infects if you somehow ingest it via bloodstream. And all it takes is a drop.”

“What other way that wouldn’t involve the virus, would let us gain the Element Bearers?” Questioned Luna.

With a long moment of thought, Albert told, “Depending on the situation… and the importance of their person's… I would say that it could be as simple as staging a grab and go raid, or something as complex as tricking them into giving them to us.”

He stood there for a bit longer before shaking his head. “It completely depends on each one’s place, area and situation. If they were in a town that was fairly open? We could possibly just use a fast hit-and-run raid to do it. If they are in a fortified position with high security? We would have to plan a jailbreak scenario.”

“In short, you can’t do anything until you know what you’re facing.” Summed up Celestia. “Knowing nothing only is making wild guesses that have no real guaranteed results.” And watched as he gave a firm nod.

“I’m not going to waste people’s time with plans that only have a 30% chance of working by ‘random ideas’.” Told Albert, “We’re risking people to go in to do this, and we might only have one chance to do it right. Otherwise? They get moved and placed in a even harder place to reach.”

Luna thought over this, thinking of what could be done as she asked. “Have you thought of using the Overlord to find them? With his odd abilities of creating Gates, he could find them by traveling all over the map.”

Thinking to that, the scientist shrugged and admitted, “He could… but as soon as he’s noticed there’s going to be a mass assembly of guards.” Thinking for a while before saying, “No… I think for now he should focus on keeping the pressure up and keeping the hornet's nest stirred for a bit longer. The Resistance and refugees need the food supplies. We had a sudden influx of a thousand mouths to add to our already stretched supplies.”

Wincing to that, Celestia said, “He’s right Luna. With so many mouths to feed, trying to coordinate any attacks might be difficult until things settle down here. Only after things stabilize on our end can we begin to do more bold moves.” Then paused for a moment, glancing to Albert and questioning, “Why are you helping us, Albert?”

Wathcing his head tilt, she went on, “You puzzle us. We know you can simply ignore this. You say you…. Enjoy the company, even be bold enough to mention your appreciation of the mare’s body.” Then noted, “Yet… you have no problems leaving whenever you please. You went to greater lengths to even help us for no fee… why?”

Both watched as he seemed to play around with something in his head, play with it for a long while before asking, “Do you know how many rape victims there are?” Causing them to blink.

“Pardon?” Asked the elder sister.

“Rape victims.” Started the male again, “How many rape victims do you think there are by today's date?”

Luna grimace to herself. “Too many to count. I dare say nearly all of Equestria and other parts of the world by the Caribous doing.”

Nodding, Albert then asked, “Do you know the psychological effects of a rape victim?” Making the sisters exchange looks. He waited a beat before going on, “Because let me tell you, it will take years for some to get over it. Maybe not at all over their life.”

He nodded to himself for a moment… then said, “You’re race is also unbalanced.” Saying it ever so casually, “What is it? 75 girls, 25 guys sort of ratio?” Then went on, “I got a good feeling that a good 15 percent of those said guys are so rotten that you’d throw them out first chance you get.” Then went on to pause before saying, “And do you know how many mares are either A: Baleful hateful of males. B: Utterly terrified of guys. Or C: questioning their own sexuality concerning guys due to bad impressions or forced lesbian sex for viewing pleasure?” Letting that settle for a moment before he did something as if it slapped their faces.

“More than 80% of your mare’s-- including a majority of the fillies, scared, hateful or now switching their preferences away from guys. The total stud count is possibly lower than 10%, 15% less than your already glaringly small 25%.” He waited before telling, “Let’s say, by chance without I or the Overlord… how denting will it be with the population if next to all mares refused to give guys a chance and teach their fillies to not trust guys for a few generations?”

Luna look sicken at the thought as she realized what would eventually happen. “The pony race will face a painful decline of new generations, I dare say that we might have a eventual stagnation without stallions to help give life for new generations.”

“I don’t allow extinction of a species.” Affirmed Albert. “And while your individual species would survive? I can’t condole what’s going on. While I may have, possibly, lost my moral reasoning or sanity after years alone and going nuts.” Saying this as if it wasn’t really a big deal, “I still have my reasoning and logic. And Logically, I should make sure your species don’t get hit so badly. From what I understand, you both raise the sun and moon. Pegasi manage weather, earth ponies rejuvenate and work the earth-- Unicorns work the magical energies of this planet!”

He motioned to them, “You’re entire species is needed to the ecosystem of this planet! And if ponies fail, then there maybe a mini-scale extinction event because half the planet stops working for whatever reason!”

A harsh snort came from Luna. “Blame Dainn and the Caribous.”

“I don’t blame the caribou's.” That made them both splutter. “I can’t believe an entire race, or species like them, is the complete reason. Evil breeds evil. And perversion breeds perversion.” He looked at them sternly. “If you want to fix the problem? Then I suggest you realize that the Caribou being born, right now, have no idea of right and wrong. They are being force fed this ‘ideal’ that Dainn has. And it’s no wonder they grow up to be so horrible.”

“You want to fix this?” He went on, “Make sure as many caribou get hit by harmony. Make sure to separate the young form their corrupted parents and show them another path. You won’t cultivate a generation of good crop if you keep it near the infected crop it was seeded near.”

“And you believe with the Caribous added in, that somehow, someway-- our species might not face stagnation?” doubt filled Luna tone, as while it was one thing to hear of her ponies-- it was another of adding the Caribou in the first place.

“Think of it this way.” Started Albert, “You try promoting peace and harmony. All ponies do. And even after all of this, you can again with a fresh generation of Caribou's-- some getting their heads on straight and some being born into a new world.” Then added, “The extra males might also help, but I won’t hold my breath for ponies to even remotely trust them.” Then pointed to them, “My recommendation? Gather what stallions you can and as many mare volunteers you can. Some ten or more mares will get one stallion as a breeding stud to keep up the generations until things once more even out.”

Twisting her face to that, Celestia spoke, “You would have us take what remaining stallions we have and place them into a situation where they have too many mares in a herd to handle?” Then blinked, “Or… or do you merly mean to use the stallions as purposely breeding studs for…. For mares to just gain foals for mare only families?”

“Like I said.” Started Albert, “Some might be sexually challenged and feel like they no longer like guys and will jump for any mare instead. They would definitely feel safer knowing that they aren’t being…” Pausing to clear his voice with, “Being ‘violated’ with a long shaft.”

“We will...take in considerations.” said Luna as this was going to be a long problem and something she and her sister need to discuss long and thoroughly. Thinking anything else, she gain a thought as she asked. “And of the Overlord?” deciding to see what this Albert might plan for the Overlord. “What would you suppose of the Overlord will do when we have cleanse Equestria? Will he face his crimes for what he has commit? Of not only in the Empire-- but of having citizens of Equestria under him as property? Or will he resist and attempt to run?”

“Run.” Was the simple response, “Really he has no reason to stay around after he’s done beating the Caribou's to a bloody pulp. If I was honest? I think he would be just fine staying to his island with his two mares, which I might add, seem to have made the conscious choice to remain his of their own violation.”

Slightly pulling her head back to this, Celestia question, “Of their own violation? Are you saying they are willingly his slaves of pleasure and don’t wish for freedom?” As if the idea was… well, she couldn't say it was completely foreign. Her Niece, Cadence had… given a few of her ponies special documents for very ‘special’ cases before the caribou's came.

“Like you put it.” Nodded the infected, “They made their stance clear during their visit. Was the biggest piece of gossip for nearly two weeks before you came along. The two were adamant that they didn’t care if they were his ‘toys’. They liked him too much and he’s done so much for them already they feel possibly indebted, possibly completely safe as his property. I think the only ponies that aren't are those sisters he allowed to live in his castle. One of them being very clingy to him as a sort of adopted-older-brother figure.”

Taking a low breath, she decided to rephrase the question. “But will he run, or will he stand trial for the crimes he committed-- if we didn’t include the mares at all?”

To which the two began to wonder if they were being mocked at when Albert asked, “You mean like the time he stole good’s past expiration date and were no good?” Then went on, “Oh, or how about the time he tried to steal a herd of sheep-- only to lose track of them halfway through the act. Maybe the time he tried to graffiti a whole town-- only to find out later the paint was actually a ‘rinse off’ type that dissolved with water? Perhaps the crates of glitter he stole from a arts and crafts store? Possibly holding scientists hostage to make a coffee machine?”

Starring, Celestia said, “You jest?”

“I’m serious.” He told with a straight face. “The closest crime he actually committed with success? Destruction of property.” But then added, “However the property wasn’t his targets-- it was the Caribous. The Caribou's also caused damage themselves… also the minions, because they’re a bit clumsy.”

“Are you...saying that he has commit near to no crimes at all-- beside attacking the Caribous and raiding...and the Crystal Empire infection?”

Shaking his head, Albert told, “He’s not a very good villain. And he only took credit for the infection because I was the one that suggested the use of his minions-- I could've easily done the task myself. I only had him send the minions out to just make it less time consuming. If anything, he was just following my orders and being the delivery the boy.”

Luna felt a sort of irony, that the Overlord...was a delivery boy-- and Albert was in a sense, the Mastermind….she soon question. “So why is he making everypony, from the Resistance, to those down here-- even to us, that he is a threat? That he is a villain and demonize him as something like the Caribous?”

To that, he said, “Well I know that one half is him appealing to Gnarl to keep the Minions under his control.” Seemingly missing the glance the two sisters gave the other, seeming to understand right there Lush’s words had.. apparently hit very close to the mark. “But I have suspicions of him making himself the scapegoat. As to the reasons why is up in the air. Maybe there’s something we don’t know and he’s just riding the over exaggerated stories of his parts-- and minimizing anything we did to not smear the ponies to keep them functional. Who’s to say at this stage?”

It certainly wasn’t the answer that Celestia wanted to hear. It only told them that the Overlord was, in truth, less of a threat to them as he was to the Caribous. “And his attacks? The raids? What of those?”

“Raids get us food, and to keep his deals he needs to get more food to send to us.” Albert said, “Clear cut with that. As for the attacks? From what I can piece together, he just really hate Caribou's and what they brought with.” Then told, “Like the Seeker Vines for example.” Pointedly ignoring their sharp breaths. “I told him I wanted some samples-- primarily seeds to have my own Seeker Vine plants. And that I might need a mare to volunteer to carry said seeds. But… he seemed more intent on burning the plants. Never gave a response if he would get the seeds, and I’m sure he never will.”

“And… why do you wish for those perverted plants?” Asked Celestia carefully.

“For science.” Was all that was given at first. “I was wondering if they had some use besides planting seeds in wombs. Like stationary guard dogs or maybe their biology giving a new medical breakthrough.” Than he waved a hand, “Besides the point. What is the point, is he has a deep loathing for anything Caribou. So, naturally, he’s going to actually put more effort, more focus on that task. Making him a greater Caribou threat, than a pony one because he has no reason to actually dislike you or hold anything against you... meaning, joke-threat villain.”

“In a sense…” said Luna as she mused over this information. “He is like Discord. Just no powers or higher magic...just an annoyance.” Thinking some as she did wonder what happen to the Spirit of Chaos, but push that thought out as she said. “I believe you answer what I wish to hear and understand.” Glancing to her sister and asked. “Did you have anything else to ask, sister?”

Thinking for a small moment, she decided, “One, sister.” And looked to Albert as she asked, “What do you intend to do after this?” Knowing that he had… more or less, outlined what they would all be doing after this.

“I’m not sure.” He began, “But if I had to make a guess? Go out to sea and vanish. Let you all get back on your feet and let things run their natural course while I continue my research.” Then slightly smiled, “I know you both don’t like the idea of how I plan to get Seeker Vines. I know that no one does. But, sometimes to make breakthroughs, you have to do questionable things. I don’t have to be proud of them.”

Looking up, he dragged on in thought, “You see… I’m in the business of obtaining results. Results that only are gained through doing extensive work and testing. For I am a scientist.” Then looked down to them for a long moment. “I make a better villain, I’m sure you both realize. Because unlike Jerry, I can be heartless if I allowed myself to be.” Then paused for a beat. “But I won't… I rather miss the conversations I get from people or listening them prattle on about something silly.” Then smiled, “I especially would hate to not get peeks at feminine curves. I’m a guy, evil or good-- I can’t help but appreciate a pretty face and gorgeous body.”

Luna hid her embarrassment as she spoke. “I see.” then said. “I believe we shall take our leave now, sister. We do have much to discuss for the future of Equestria.” turning to head out as to also hold some dignity and self-respect of the fact he admitted he get peeks from a mare's body.

Celestia gave a quick ‘good day’ to the male before leaving with her sister and closing the bulkhead behind them. As they walked down the hall, Celestia remarked, “Flustered? Lu-lu, did you honestly find it surprising he said that?” Having a slight smile, “Or are you honestly flattered he possibly complemented you?”

Snorting some, she told. “I believe he was a scientist fully.” then added. “Not to mention we do need to discuss of the future of Equestria if we do not wish to see stagnation of a civilization.”

Giving a heave to that, Celestia agreed, “That we do, little sister.” Knowing that those debates will be long and tedious in their own rights.

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